Sari Swears Podcast: Why Every Trial Lawyer Needs a Brag List

If you’re a trial lawyer, you’ve probably been told some version of this:

🚫 “Don’t be arrogant.”

🚫 “Stay humble.”

🚫 “Let the work speak for itself.”

Sounds right… until it starts shrinking how you show up.

In this week’s podcast, Coach K and I talk directly to YOU about a mindset trap we see all the time — the humble saboteur 🧠.

It’s the voice that tells you:

🗣️ “Don’t own that win too much.”

🗣️ “You’re not there yet.”

🗣️ “If you think you’re great, you’ll get lazy.”

That voice is NOT humility.

It’s fear.

And juries feel it.

Confidence is NOT arrogance.

This episode breaks down WHY a brag list isn’t ego — it’s how you have your own back.

Tune in NOW! 🎧

Love,
Sari

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Coach K

Transcription

Sari de la Motte:

To the point, that we're talking about today, that they are underplaying their achievements. And so, where do you think that comes from, then? Because this is such a thing, about attorneys being arrogant.

Kevin:

I mean, I just think that they're conditioned to be that way, so that they don't... It's so polarized. It's so different from the defense. The defense comes off as this shark that comes into the courtroom, with the perfect suit and totally arrogant. The other side is the plaintiff, being very unassuming, like somebody like Rick Friedman. So that's supposed to be exactly the way you're supposed to be, but there's a thing about being humble, and then there's being just so overly that it becomes... It makes you really play smaller.

Sari de la Motte:

You're listening to Sari swear, on the Sari Swears podcast. Welcome everyone to another episode of Sari Swears, Sari de la Motte with you. Coach K is back. Weirdly, we're both in the same clothes. So we must have done this at the same time.

Kevin:

Yeah.

Sari de la Motte:

No, we haven't. We just want everyone to think that... Yeah, no, we're batching these. So, sorry. But Coach K is back, and we are talking about some more mindset stuff. This time we are talking about a brag list, and why every trial lawyer should have one, everyone should have one. And I thought about this concept when I was thinking about doing a Thanksgiving themed podcast about a gratitude list. And then I was like, "Gratitude list, blah, blah. Everyone should be doing one." And I believe that, absolutely. But then I started thinking about the concept of a brag list, which is different, but also leads to gratitude. So I want to start, welcome Coach K, by the way.

Kevin:

Why, thank you.

Sari de la Motte:

Coach K is, in order of importance, my husband. And also, our lead mindset coach and Director of Programming Services here at H2H. So Coach K, let's talk about first, this concept of arrogance and trial attorneys. Because this is the thing that, even before I got into this world, everybody thinks that attorneys are arrogant as fuck. Do you think attorneys are arrogant as fuck?

Kevin:

I have not come across any, at least the people that we work with.

Sari de la Motte:

Right.

Kevin:

They are very humble, overly, at times. And no, I don't. They are really, really concerned about being arrogant, but they are not.

Sari de la Motte:

Yes, exactly. I have seen how concerned they are about being perceived as arrogant, but I myself have rarely... I wouldn't say ever, come across, again, as you said. Our clients are not arrogant at all, to the point that we're talking about today, that they are underplaying their achievements. And so, where do you think that comes from, then? Because this is such a thing, about attorneys being arrogant. Where do you think that comes from?

Kevin:

It's conditioning. I mean, I just think that they're conditioned to be that way, so that they don't... It's so polarized. It's so different from the defense. The defense comes off as this shark that comes into the courtroom, with the perfect suit, and totally arrogant. The other side is the plaintiff being very unassuming, like somebody like Rick Friedman. So that's supposed to be exactly the way you're supposed to be, but there's a thing about being humble, and then there's being just so overly, that it becomes ... It makes you really play smaller.

Sari de la Motte:

Yeah. It's interesting. As you were talking, I was thinking about the ... It's not Cialdini. Raphael, with the codes. And I think you're right. Part of that is, the code for lawyers is liar. And so, you have to go off code, that was a big thing 20-some years ago, or maybe it was less than that. But if you are off code, you can't be what people think lawyers are. And I think back to the day of maybe Moe Levine, and whatnot. It was like, there was swagger, and all the things. That's what you thought about, when you thought about a trial lawyer. And when we had the tort reform happened, and we wanted to go off code, and not be seen as those people with the gold watches and all the things that were only in it for the money. And so I'm thinking, as I normally do, I process as I do the things, that that's probably where this all came from, right?

Kevin:

Makes a lot of sense.

Sari de la Motte:

This concept of the trial lawyer, with swagger, and that has then become arrogance. And so now, the big thing is how humble you are. It's almost like a contest of, "Oh, this person's a great trialer, but they're also so humble." That gives them extra points. And I, as most of my listeners already know, think that's a bunch of bullshit. I don't love the humble thing. I think that is, as you said, playing small. And if we're talking about audiences, in terms of jurors, or any audience really with a speaker, the one thing that audiences want from any speaker is to feel like the speaker has got this. And that takes some bravado. That takes some cojones, right? It means being up there, and believing that you belong up there, and showing that to your group. I think that there is a difference between confidence and arrogance, but I do think that it's done a number on our attorneys.

Kevin:

It really has.

Sari de la Motte:

... in terms of this, "Don't be seen as arrogant. You must be humble." Talk a little bit more about how that is playing out with our attorneys, this having to be a humble piece.

Kevin:

Well, I see it in so many ways. It's not just when it comes to their mindset in front of juries, or how they show up in a courtroom. It also has to do with the way they are with money and so many different things, that it makes it so it's hard for them to really own their number, or even talk about money in trial. There's so many issues like that.

One of the major things that comes up a lot is saboteurs. I mean, I don't think that on Positive Intelligence, they have that breakdown where you can do the different saboteurs. I don't think there's a humble one in there, but there should be, because humble saboteur is a big thing I've come across with so many different clients.

Sari de la Motte:

That is so true. Well, first of all, let's talk to our people about what a saboteur is. And then I want to talk to you about how you feel about the saboteur... The humble saboteur is a sneaky one.

Kevin:

Totally.

Sari de la Motte:

I love this. But tell our listeners what a saboteur is, if they don't know.

Kevin:

So a saboteur is a collection of all of our thoughts, limiting beliefs, something happened to us. It's like trauma, but really it's more like a situation that happens in your life, in your brain, the amygdala, the oldest part of your brain, fires. And I like to call the saboteur like the hype man of the amygdala, because the saboteur comes in and says, "Oh no, that's never going to happen." Oh my God, what are you doing with the microphone?

Sari de la Motte:

I just threw it at my head, because I was going to be like the hype man-

Kevin:

Exactly.

Sari de la Motte:

... but then I threw the microphone right in my face. And now it has lipstick on it, but continues.

Kevin:

Yeah, exactly.

Sari de la Motte:

I'm hyping you.

Kevin:

Yeah. And the amygdala fires, the saboteur jumps out and says, "No, no, no, no, no. Don't do that. Remember? That's not what you're supposed to do. Remember back when you were a baby lawyer, or remember your dad," or remember whatever happened in your life. "You're not supposed to do that." Well, the humble saboteur is one that hides in your values. Says, "Well, you know, you actually are very humble, and this is the way that you are as an attorney. This is the way you need to be-"

Sari de la Motte:

"It's a value of yours."

Kevin:

"... it's a value of yours."

Sari de la Motte:

"You're not like those other attorneys."

Kevin:

"No, you're not like those other people. I mean, this is a way that you connect with other people."

Sari de la Motte:

But it has an agenda, and what's the agenda?

Kevin:

The agenda is, that it's scared shitless, it wants to keep you from doing that thing that it's fearful of. So its agenda is, "Let's keep them small, let's make them not risk, so that we don't have to go outside of this little container that makes us feel warm and fuzzy."

Sari de la Motte:

Well, what would happen if our attorneys actually believed that they were the schnizelhaven? I just made up that word.

Kevin:

I don't know what that is, but if they believed that they were the shit, it depends on every person. But honestly, the attorneys that we come across, if they believe they're the shit, they're the ones that have worked with us for a bit. And they show up confident, they show up open, they show up in court where they're the one that owns the courtroom, and not in an arrogant way. It's their time to talk.

Sari de la Motte:

But what does the saboteur tell them is going to happen?

Kevin:

The saboteur-

Sari de la Motte:

If you think you're really, really good, what?

Kevin:

Yeah. "If you think you're really, really good, then you're going to just sit back and get lazy-"

Sari de la Motte:

Yes!

Kevin:

"... and never do anything ever again."

Sari de la Motte:

Oh my God, I hear that one all the time.

Kevin:

I hear it almost every single session.

Sari de la Motte:

Yes.

Kevin:

Something like it.

Sari de la Motte:

Yeah. The big thing is that people argue with us, all the time, and you know I'm right. It is when we tell them that they have to decide they're amazing.

Kevin:

Oh, God.

Sari de la Motte:

Without any evidence. "I don't care if you've never tried a case, I don't care if you lost your last 50 cases, you have to decide right now that you're amazing." And they freak out, and they're like, "No."

Kevin:

Half of them throw up on the floor, and the other ones say, "Fuck you."

Sari de la Motte:

Yeah, and there's, they have seizing and all. No, they're actually not. But this is such a belief, this whole idea of this like, "You have to be humble, and you can't believe that you're amazing." Because that's one of the things, right? "If I believe I'm amazing right now, as is, then I will never do the things that you're supposed to do. I'll just get lazy and rest on my laurels."

Kevin:

Just sit around polishing your trophies, yeah. No, that's not going to happen.

Sari de la Motte:

It couldn't be the farthest thing from the truth. Or that is the farthest, that is the farthest thing from the truth.

Kevin:

That is the farthest thing.

Sari de la Motte:

Right? The other thing I think the saboteur makes them believe is, "If I believe I'm really amazing, then that means I'm going to have to do amazing things, and I'm going to actually have to take those risks."

Kevin:

Well, the saboteur doesn't make-

Sari de la Motte:

"I'm going to actually have to go out there and do the things that-"

Kevin:

... doesn't say that, but that's what the saboteur wants. They want to make sure you don't take those-

Sari de la Motte:

Don't do those things. Right.

Kevin:

... yeah, exactly.

Sari de la Motte:

But it's telling you, see, "But if you do believe you're amazing, you probably have to go do those amazing things."

Kevin:

Exactly.

Sari de la Motte:

"That Sari, telling you that you can do it, you can't really do that. Because you're humble. Stay humble."

Kevin:

And, "This is a good thing," and, "This is what makes you, you."

Sari de la Motte:

So that's what's called a sneaky saboteur, because it is masquerading like it's really looking out for you. Instead of like-

Kevin:

I like to call it-

Sari de la Motte:

... telling you-

Kevin:

... the slippery saboteur.

Sari de la Motte:

Yes. Instead of telling you, "You suck," which is our normal saboteurs. Once you get really good at saboteur work, then it starts showing up in these kinds of ways. It's funny, when you said money, I thought you were going to say that it shows this humbleness in money, in terms of spending money on yourself.

Kevin:

Oh, that's a big one.

Sari de la Motte:

Because I think when they think of personal development, for example. Or, "I'm going to go and I'm going to coach with Kevin," we're going to talk about your coaching program here, soon. But, "Well, I'm not that good, that I should be spending that much money on myself. I don't have that many trials. I'm not like a true trial lawyer." Don't you see that showing up there, as well?

Kevin:

Yeah.

Sari de la Motte:

Right? "I'm not very good." And that's all in the humble umbrella.

Kevin:

Yeah. Well, and it's broached however with your saboteur so that they're slippery, and they make you do things. But I mean, really the bottom line is, it's saying that you're not enough. You're not worth it.

Sari de la Motte:

Yeah. Yep. Absolutely. And they absolutely are worth it.

Kevin:

Totally.

Sari de la Motte:

We teach the Be, Do, Have Model, which I've talked about in the podcast before, but that is, you get to decide who you are. Not anybody else. And when you decide who you are, which is amazing, you will do the things that amazing people do, and then you will have the results that amazing people have. But we tend to think it's the opposite. We tend to think, "I have to have evidence that I'm amazing. And then, when I have that evidence, I'll do amazing things. And then I will be amazing." We tend to think that's how it works, but it's absolutely the opposite. Yes?

Kevin:

Yes, it is the opposite. If you don't have the motivation to do the good things, the big things, then yeah, you'll stay in the starting blocks. Being first, and being amazing first, that's what motivates you to do all that incredible stuff.

Sari de la Motte:

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As I've said many times, if I was still waiting for someone to come and say, "You know what? You're really good at this," I'd still be waiting. And the fact that I think I'm amazing, because I do, is why I keep doing amazing things, and keep spending money on myself, and keep doing the personal development. Because I'm like, "How much more amazing can I be, if I keep investing in myself, and investing in our lives, and all of these things?" We've got it absolutely backwards. Yes?

Kevin:

Yes. And it's a growth mindset.

Sari de la Motte:

Absolutely.

Kevin:

You keep building on that.

Sari de la Motte:

Okay. So we've kind of gone off-topic with the brag list, but we're getting there. Now, one of the reasons why this is so important is that you get this, listeners. That you need to have a brag list, and need to believe that you're amazing, is because so many people think you're not. One, right? The world out there, at least we believe this, I don't know that it's totally true. But the world out there believes that plaintiff trial lawyers are the downfall of society, and you're the reason why our insurance rates have gone up, and all of the things.

And so I always say, when I'm teaching Be, Do, Have, for example. That there's going to be enough people out there that don't like you. I say that about myself. There's people out there that don't like me. I've got some one-star reviews on this podcast. Very few, but I do. That I'm not going to be one of the people that doesn't like me. There's going to be enough people out there that don't like me. I'm a divisive enough figure in the world, that some people are like, "She's full of shit," that I'm going to be my own... I got to have my own back. I got to be my own cheerleader.

Speak to that piece of having your own back as a trial attorney, and how important that is.

Kevin:

Oh, yeah. I mean, that's going to be what propels you, motivates you to do absolutely everything. And you got to be your number one fan.

Sari de la Motte:

Yes.

Kevin:

I mean, and think about how tough the job is. If your job, being a trial attorney is as tough as it is, which it is. And you're dealing with the overwhelm, and all the things that happen, through the process. If you're, on top of that, not your number one fan? It's just going to be that much more depleting. You need something, you need to build yourself up. It's just like, if you're for everyone, you're for no one. You got to be for yourself.

Sari de la Motte:

I'm not everybody's cup of tequila.

Kevin:

No.

Sari de la Motte:

Wait, that's a lot of tequila.

Kevin:

That, well.

Sari de la Motte:

Shot of tequila.

Kevin:

Yeah. Some go for the cup.

Sari de la Motte:

Right. Especially after they've spent some time with me. No.

Kevin:

Yeah.

Sari de la Motte:

So you've got to have your own back. This is so huge. And we've actually had people say to us... Remember? In our own home.

Kevin:

Mm-hmm.

Sari de la Motte:

That, "No, no, no, no. Sorry, you have this wrong, because I am motivated by fear. That is my number one motive. That's what makes me keep going, is the fear of losing." What do you have to say to that? You're already laughing, because it's so ridiculous. But yes, say more about that.

Kevin:

Okay. If you're motivated by fear, think about how you show up to a jury.

Sari de la Motte:

Oh!

Kevin:

If you're like this, you're triggered the whole time, "Oh my God, I'm so fucking scared."

Sari de la Motte:

Mic drop.

Kevin:

Oh my God.

Sari de la Motte:

Absolutely.

Kevin:

Oh my God.

Sari de la Motte:

And I'm not going to suggest that people aren't motivated by fear-

Kevin:

No, I-

Sari de la Motte:

... because I think people are, but what I am suggesting is, that is a really bad fuel.

Kevin:

That's not a come from. No fucking way.

Sari de la Motte:

No. No. It's going to tear you down, and this job is hard enough already.

Kevin:

It's already so hard. Stop being hard on yourselves.

Sari de la Motte:

And for anybody who's listening to this, and is thinking, "Well, it's all rainbows and whatever with Sari, and she just tells you whatever." Hell the fuck no.

Kevin:

Have you met Sari?

Sari de la Motte:

"And she doesn't get results with this method." Hello, we do get results. I will tell you that the people who get the results are people who have come out here, and we have loved them, and shown them that they are amazing. And they're the ones, not that just listened to it and were like, "Whatever." Believed it, and went back and absolutely slayed. The people that have come in, like Shaun Lieser, who was just on the podcast episode last month, was talking about this. But we build on success here. We tell you also what you should stop doing, and what doesn't work. But we want you to notice what's amazing about you, that's why it's not a formula that we have here, and build on that because we know that when you are really in your zone of genius, and you are doing the things that you love and are great at, that's only going to grow and grow and grow.

But that has to start not with me, not with Kevin, that has to start with them. So how do they get there? And this is one of the tools that we're talking about today. All right. So, gratitude lists are great. And I think that, I do one every morning in my morning pages, which you guys have heard is one of the things that I do. It's the bowel movement for my brain, in the morning, but I always end with things that I'm grateful for.

But a brag list is different. And so, I did this the other day and I thought, "I've got to podcast about this." I decided, as I was thinking about my upcoming goals, it's kind of weird to be where we are in our lives now. Kevin and I were talking about this the other day. Because I used to have, I mean, you know, pages and pages of goals, and things I wanted to achieve. And now we are literally sitting in one of the things I thought about 15, 20 years ago. Our mock courtroom space, our brand new podcast room.

And it's weird to be at this point in your life, in your, I was going to say mid-50s. I'm not in my mid-50s yet.

Kevin:

I know.

Sari de la Motte:

But in your 50s, except for you, who's in their late 40s, I will say that. And have achieved nearly everything on your list. So you're thinking, "What are my goals coming up?" And of course, I always have goals. But I thought, "Before I talk about my goals, I wanted to take inventory. I wanted to take stock of all the things that I've already achieved, or overcame. And I was three or four pages into that list when I was like, "This is kind of amazing."

Kevin:

It is.

Sari de la Motte:

We never do this. And you have mentioned this many times, and you kind of force your clients to do this, but they don't celebrate, do they? This is kind of a form of celebrating. So talk about the importance of celebrating, and why you don't see your clients do it very often.

Kevin:

Well, and yeah, I call it a celebration list, because I ask many times, "Okay, what are you celebrating? What are we celebrating here?" And it's something that, the last thing they think about, because they want to just move on to the next thing.

Sari de la Motte:

So just to give you some context, this is something maybe you and your client have been working on for a while. They come into a session, they're like, "Hey, I had that conversation," or, "Hey, I said no to the settlement offer. But what I want to talk about today," and you have to slow them down and go, "Hold on a minute, let's celebrate that. That was amazing. It took us like three or four sessions to get there, and you did it."

Kevin:

Yeah, yeah.

Sari de la Motte:

Why do they want to just slide right past that, do you think?

Kevin:

Well, I mean, we did an episode earlier about secondary trauma, but part of it is just moving on to the next thing is part of the culture, and just tamping it down and go to the next thing. And why would you celebrate? You should stay humble, too. That's another thing, but it's so hard to get my clients to just stop for a second, like you're saying, and say, "Wait a minute." Because every time there is a trial that happens, or there is a result, bad, good, we always debrief afterwards.

And when we do a debrief, we talk through it and it is just like that. It's like, "Yeah, the verdict was this, X, Y, Z." And, "I'm just hearing this, this is a fantastic verdict, fantastic result. And, "Yeah, but I got this new trial that's coming up." And I'm like, "Wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on a second, here. What are we celebrating here? Let's sit with this a little bit." And then even after we talk about it, then I say, "Okay, well, what are you doing to celebrate this? Are you going to go out with the team, or maybe spend some time with your wife?"

Sari de la Motte:

You can take some time off.

Kevin:

"Take some time off."

Sari de la Motte:

Which they rarely do.

Kevin:

"Clink the champagne, whatever it is that you normally do to celebrate." Because commemorating this, saying "This is important," that's what you build on. That's what you continue to build on. Not just move on to the next thing and, "Oh, well, I fucked up there, so that's what I'm going to build on. Maybe." Now you do learn from your losses, you do learn from your mistakes, but that is fixed. Whereas, when you build on what you're celebrating and your wins, that's growth.

Sari de la Motte:

Yes. I love that. So a brag list, or a celebration list, can be anything. So when I was writing mine, first I started with all the things that I've achieved. So I was thinking I've spoken to the Inner Circle of Advocates. I've written a book. I have my mock courtroom, and then I went to things that I've owned, that I always wanted to own. Our dream home. We both drive the kinds of cars that we've always wanted to drive.

Kevin:

Beach house.

Sari de la Motte:

I have my $20,000 Frenchie. And I wouldn't want to spend that-

Kevin:

The beach house is the big one for me. I love that.

Sari de la Motte:

... she didn't cost 20,000. She has caused $20,000 in damage.

Kevin:

She's caused a lot of damage.

Sari de la Motte:

We have a beach house, which we used to walk up and down the Oregon coast, freezing our asses off because it's always cold.

Kevin:

Not always.

Sari de la Motte:

And thinking, "One day. One day." So we have that, right? But then I started going into things I've overcome. Cancer. I beat cancer twice. Different things in my family, and in my life. Different things you and I have overcome and achieved. And it was just this amazing... Gratitude became the secondary emotion there, as I was looking over this list thinking, "Oh my gosh, if I died today, look at all of the things that I have achieved."

This is a tool, I think, in one of the tools. Obviously if you have a coach like Kevin, or me, we're going to constantly be telling you to celebrate yourself, and all the things that you're doing. But this is one of the things that you can do this season, around the holidays, where you just take stock for a minute. I think people want to be thinking about, "What am I going to do next year?" And I'm that way too, for sure. But here in the winter, as we're closing down the year, I think it's such a beautiful thing. And you don't have to share it with anybody, if you're still worried about the humble stuff, to just sit down and start writing all of the things that you're proud of about yourself. You don't have to share it with a damn person. I hope you do. But it will really show you, and have you slow down and be thinking, "Wow, I have really done more than I remember sometimes." And it slows you down.

Thoughts on this, before we end this maybe a little shorter podcast episode?

Kevin:

One of the big ones that comes up in my head is the question in coaching that comes up so many times, which is, "What's next?"

Sari de la Motte:

Yeah.

Kevin:

And think about it this way. What is it like, or what would it be like when that question is posed to you, after you've just self-flagellated and said all the things you did wrong. And then your coach asks you, "What's next?"

As opposed to a gratitude list, and all these things, these things you're celebrating, and you're feeling so resonant. Then that question is asked, "What's next?"

Sari de la Motte:

Yes. Yes.

Kevin:

Think of it that way.

Sari de la Motte:

And I would also say, for people who are like, "Well, I haven't achieved very much," or whatever. Everything that showed up on my list, I had written down at some other point in time.

Kevin:

That is a big thing.

Sari de la Motte:

I mean, I don't think there's a single thing on there. I mean, maybe I didn't write "Overcome cancer," because I didn't see that fucking coming.

Kevin:

Yeah.

Sari de la Motte:

But I saw those things for myself. And so, I think if you are struggling and you're like, "Well, I don't know what I..." Start writing the things that you want to achieve, the things that you want to be doing, what you want to be known for. And start believing that those things are coming.

Kevin:

That's Be, Do, Have.

Sari de la Motte:

Yes. Because all of those things, I had written down, sometimes 25 years ago. And here they are. I don't think, it's like, you can't be what you can't see. You can't have what you haven't already thought about having. And whether that's a material thing, put those on there, too. I had on my list, years and years ago, "I want to get a massage every month." And back then... I mean, every week. Back then I was like, "That's crazy talk." Now I get a 90 massage every Friday at 3:30.

Kevin:

Well, and this is brain science. You can call it manifestation, I call it brain science. There's a part of the brain called the reticular activating system. And if you bring those things into your awareness on a regular basis, you think about them regularly, they will show up in your life. And that is just the science of the brain.

Sari de la Motte:

That's right.

Kevin:

People will show up, things will show up, the more that you focus on that.

Sari de la Motte:

What you focus on, you create.

Kevin:

Correct.

Sari de la Motte:

I say that with, "Don't focus on the defense points," but this is also true in terms of manifesting. So that's your assignment, my friends, as we end this year. I want you to put together a brag list, or if that's too crazy, you can use Kevin's word, celebration list.

Kevin:

What are you celebrating?

Sari de la Motte:

And if you're worried that there's not enough things on there, or that generates your new list, start writing down the things that you want to see, you want to bring into your world. Because writing them down, and bringing them into your awareness, is the first step.

Now, Kevin, you can help because you have a brand new coaching program that's starting in January. So tell us a little bit about that.

Kevin:

Yes, I can help. I've got it, it's a curated coaching program. So each client comes in, and the first session is a longer session, and we find out all your goals and what you want to achieve for that year. Or, the coaching package is nine months. And we basically bring together, pull together all the tools that we have, as coaches, Sari and I. Her and I work through this stuff all the time, and what's the best thing for our clients? And then we tailor make your coaching package. I tailor it so that you can achieve these goals systematically, and it's designed case by case, person by person.

Sari de la Motte:

Awesome. And then, you also have some bonuses.

Kevin:

Bonuses there. We'll also have a 90-minute call that is for all my clients, that they come in, and we talk about these concepts that are related to coaching.

Sari de la Motte:

You'll be teaching some mindset things.

Kevin:

And teaching on some mindset things. There's some group coaching, but it's something that's an added bonus there to get a community piece going on there, and you can work with other people that are also my clients. Like-minded attorneys.

And then there's a two-day retreat, which you'll come out for two days, and we have these Command the Courtrooms. Well, this will be a retreat that's really focused on mindset.

Sari de la Motte:

Awesome. And so, it's not cheap. It's an investment. But it is life changing. I can say that, because I've heard your clients say that. But this new program is really a little bit more structured than just, "Hey, what do you want to coach on?" It's, "We're going to figure out, what are you struggling with and what are your obstacles?" We're going to overcome those obstacles and get you where you want to be, nine months in. And it's going to be absolutely curated for them. So I think that's very exciting.

And so, if you want to learn more about that, go to sariswears.com/coaching, and you can even get a sample session there on that page, to check it out and talk with Coach K. He only has limited spots for this program, so make sure you get in, so that you're ready to start in January.

And we'll talk to everybody later. Bye-bye.

Kevin:

Bye.

Sari de la Motte:

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